useful sources of updates
https://pso2.com/players/news/
https://twitter.com/play_pso2
useful sources of updates
https://pso2.com/players/news/
https://twitter.com/play_pso2
I will, to this day, never believe a single person in this thread (or anywhere else on this planet) that waited purely for a PS4/5 release without actually attempting to do the PC version at minimum since 2012 or even Global's release. Thats plenty and ample amount of time for anyone to get a job, earn money & buy a new PC/parts to make playing PSO2 a reality for you. You would have to be incredibly unwilling or flat out lazy to bother trying any alternatives outside sitting and waiting for the Playstation version to happen for PSO2.
and while I wouldn't have said word for word with what Terrence said, to a degree I agree with him and as for Saner, it feels they're too misguided or very likely and very ill informed about whats actually been going on with the game for the past 10yrs much less NGS's first year.
I'm not going to write out an essay about the state of the game, if you think the majority of the current playerbase plays because their so "happy" then you are severely mistaken because complainers aren't are minority either and there are many factors that go into this, NEGATIVE ones for why people feel the way they do and the biggest one's atm is: lack of content and handling of the game since it's release and dare I say the man in charge (HMZK) of NGS right now was the one who almost killed PSO2 back during Ep 5.
looking forward to you getting caught up in game and getting to realize how bleak this game is, seasonals and recycled content brought back from base is not remotely fun or engaging and my view of "fun" isn't subjective either because no one in their right mind thinks adding a Tower Defense Quest to each region is super amazing considering we had like idk 10 Tower Defense quests & variations back in base PSO2. You on the other hand haven't experienced any of this, so naturally you're going to think all this is amazing and enjoyable which is not a bad thing at all but you need to understand the current situation of the game and how's going or I guess stay ignorant to it all. Up to you, don't care, enjoy PSO2
Last edited by ArcaneTechs; Jul 27, 2022 at 06:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by the_importer_
You have a very corrupt mind. There is no reasoning with evil people filled with so much bigotry and hatred that they can't even comment without resorting to rude insults and labeling female characters as sluts or waifus (which is really what sexists, prudes and misogynists call them in derogatory fashion). Its a wonder why you would even visit a PSO2/NGS related topic in the first place. Is this the limit of your purpose? Spreading negativity, pessimism and hate?
Your first mistake is not thinking outside your bubble to see the reality of the industry is that most people will stick with the platform they prefer. You will not convince millions of PS4 players to game on PC nor Xbox (and vice versa), even if it's a game they been waiting 10 years for a localization confirmation. PSO2 is coming to PS4 in english. It is a fact. We patient PSO fans won, while you are stuck in your own delusion think everyone's impressions of PSO2 will be the same as yours.
Your second mistake is having the attitude that those that think differently from you are no smarter. Your pessimistic views cloud your judgement of PSO2 and you sound like an elitist that thinks they know better when you are mistakening your opinions for facts. You don't decide that is right or wrong or what is good or bad about PSO2. that is for each individual to decide. not everyone are ingrates, and clearly PSO2 is much better managed than how Phantasy Star Universe's online turned out. So clearly, you been spoiled by PSO2 and do not appreciate it like others would.
you may call PS4/console gamers lazy, but hundreds of millions of console gamers worldwide through the history of gaming, find console gaming more convenient than PC gaming. for millions of people, PC gaming is more trouble and expensive than its worth. PSO2 was originally devloped and optimized for PS4. whereas on PC, depending on specs and other factors, PSO2 could look and run worse than on PS4. also security is lower on PC. So get off your high horse. if anyone is misguided, its you negative nancies that take things for granted. https://www.escapistmagazine.com/whe...han-its-worth/
Last edited by Saner; Jul 27, 2022 at 08:22 PM.
i dont care how hard of a Sony fan you are anyone is, my main point is anyone whoever wanted to play PSO2 since it's release would go through the actual effort to do so. I'm not sure why you don't understand this, I absolutely not do not care that you and a handful of others decided to not do anything but go about your life until this point. It's only a victory for yourself, definitely not over me because all the people I know who wanted to play are already playing before this announcement happened.
I've played everygame, I learn it's positive and negatives but I don't live in sheer ignorance to think that PSU of all games is perfect (because it's not) and for something of a frankenstein PSO2 ended up becoming because of Directors changing every episode and content never being fully fleshed out or done or flat out cut because of mistakes the developers made over time. I've been spoiled by nothing, I choose not to live in ignorance like others because this encourages Sega to continue making bad decisions for the game over time but thanks to people like you, it'll continue to go the way it is.
I'm calling people who refused to attempt actually play the game lazy, the ones who sat around and got lucky that Sega decided to finally push the PS4 version out to the West instead of locking it only to JP players (which again, isn't a bad thing for Sega to do).
Phantasy Star Online 2 - Released July 4th, 2012
Playstation 4 Home Console - Released November 15th, 2013
Please do some basic research, not only was PSO2 NOT developed & optimized for the PS4, the PS4 wasn't even released until over a year after it was out on PC. Your console is not virus proof or hack proof, you can run into the same exact issues as a PC not to mention a Video Game Console is literally a PC.
Genuinely people who don't want to learn basics about PC parts or who are very misinformed are the ones who avoid building PC's. You can choose to blame the current prices which to an extent is true, it's very pricey but we're talking about years prior to the current price hike on builds which again, falls under those who cared enough to really want to play the game could have done so.
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Arcane you don't realize how misguided you are thinking towards console gamers as a whole, and also ignorant to assume I'm a Sony fan, when like you I choose the platform that is convenient and best one for me (Sony consoles happen to be preferred because Nintendo keeps failing at providing hardware, 3rd party support, controls and online quality that its competitors do better, and ports on nintendo platforms are always a downgrade compared to other consoles, nintendo misses out on so many games that require better online and hardware. While Xbox misses out on most eastern games and their populations that prefer things that aren't western games are in the minority, so Sony is really the only platform brand that is the most well rounded in the industry since PS1. ) Unlike you, I don't look at things as just black and white. Unlike you, I understand the pros and cons of PC to the level that PC is not worth the trouble and expenses, and PC gaming has always been more hurdles, troubleshooting and trouble than its worth, otherwise there would be few console gamers and more PC gamers. and PC industry is not as good as it once was when it had physical releases. meanwhile at least consoles still get physical editions for various games, whiel PC is almost entirely digital only. as a whole, console gaming is more advantageous while PC market is corrupted and funneled through things like Steam, costing so many jobs that used to manufacture, distribute and sell physical editions of PC games. Also piracy on PC is still insane. which is why things like DRM/denuvo happened. PC communities are filled with so much parasites and cheapskates and play the victim, while bashing games handed out for free with microtransactions to help profit instead of loss money and get nothing in return.
Also you really underestimate the security difference between console and PC. It's like you are not aware of the countless cheaters and hackers on PC gaming, to the extent even companies like Blizzard been on record in articles of the various cases of cheaters found on PC, and hundreds of thousands of cheaters been banned from PC games compared to console games (just compare Overwatch cheater numbers on the PC side). Generally console gamers really are only at risk with their account is if they use a PC to access an account. I had friend who had their FFXI account and they played on PC and access their account through PC, meanwhile my PS2 friends never had hacks or stolen account issues playing console version of games. it can happen, but its unlikely compared to the amount of PC cases, which is why many times when company site pages talk about PC versions of games, they have guides to prevent account theft and things that commonly happen on the PC side of things. As long as console gamers just use their console to access their game and log in, they are more secure than using a PC, even with security software.
I was mistaken about which version came first on PC vs PS4, but having played PSO Japanese version for a while until I had enough of the language barrier, I found PSO2 is very well optimized on PS4, it has to be considering how long PSO2 been successful, supported and Sega's #1 online game. can't expect flawless online but its definitely next to flawless compared to games like Onigiri and even the choppy Black Desert (though Black Desert requires better hardware than ps4 to run optimally, so its really no one's fault. regardless of performance, Black Desert actually still has a dedicated playerbase on PS4 despite the lower framerate and buy to play model)
So where were we? Oh yes, basically every post you 'contribute' to this topic, you and that other guy are just raining on the parade.
"oh, people that really wanted to play PSO2 should of gotten a PC/Xbox to play it, otherwise they are not a true fan".
well guess what, most people are not going to buy another platform for one game. and it's not like we PSO DC and PSU veterans been sitting on our hands, over the years we been playing numerous games. its great PSO2 english is happening on PS4, and I would not really call it a wait since there wasnt expectations Sega would do the right thing, but ever since Microsoft chipped in to make Xbox port and localization happen, that did increase the chances of PSO2 localization happening on PS4 on time for its 10th anniversary year. So I would say it is great timing cause I experienced and learned great things from other games along the way, so now that I completed a backlog of games, can focus on PSO2 with a fresh community. There are games that took much longer to get ports and localizations. and they still feel like new to newcomers and those that only tasted a bit of it.
"PSO2 is bad and will only hold interest for a few days"
I see that in certain communities, but the reality is some PSO2 veterans are just so jaded, bitter and become toxic to really see the positives. they dont realize how cancerous their negative comments and pessimistic views are of the 'current stage of the game'.
Also you are making a mistake like other games communities been doing like "if I discourage people from supporting and playing this game, that would hurt the game's reception and therefore convince Sega to do better and right the wrongs." That mentality only leads to ruin and destruction of a brand.
PSO2 NGS doing very well on PS4 english would be better than it flopping. a failed product benefits no one. Look at how complaints towards H1Z1 divided Daybreak to the point of making changes and that upset everyone else that felt the game was fine, and so the game dropped in popularity and usage despite being the game that put battle royale on the mainstream map. the very negative and whiny side of the community ruined it for everyone else.
your solution is destructive and your attitude is what even an anti-fan would do. there's already haters of anything asian developed that want games like these to flop, and you are indirectly supporting that destructive movement.
you think you are not ignorant, but it really sounds like you still don't understand how SEGA works. SEGA has always been stubborn and prefers to do things their own way, sink or swim. notice they still don't get Sonic games right and don't understand how to please everyone without upsetting anyone. It's fortunate that PSO2 actually turned out much better than PSU and much more advanced with things that would make classic PSO proud. it has its faults, but it seems like you have trouble finding enjoyment in anything and only focus on the bad.
It makes one wonder why you would even participate in a PSO2/NGS topic in the first place cause clearly it is not as good or designed as you expect them to be. so basically its really not for you.
TL/DR: its you guys that came here with such hostility, elitism and pushing negative viewpoints, you haters could just as well be mistaken for anti-fans that pretend to be PSO series fans. its bad enough old school PSO purists think anything that isn't classic PSO is bad. The lack of appreciation for PSO2 is clear among you.
Last edited by Saner; Jul 28, 2022 at 06:14 PM.
I agree with Arcane. I think you are putting too much blind faith into this, however I also think it's wrong of you to call anyone who has a lack of enthusiasm as a hater. I think, you are being illogical about this. The main point is the lack of content is a legitimate concern. However, I am glad you are optimistic and look forward to it. Heck if you wanted to play Base PSO2 I would be down to play with, since I usually just an excuse to play PSO2 base nowadays. I accomplished most of what I wanted to do, and I feel a lack of motivation, and I feel it is due to NGS and people moving on to it and leaving base behind. I *love* base pso2. I did not want NGS. I also think it's important to realize that like Arcane said, people have had 10 years at least to be able to consolidate their thoughts, while newer players had a few years. I do agree that, anyone saying 'haha yea it won't get any players' probably shouldn't waste their energy and let people enjoy it for what it is in the moment. Legitimate criticism is not hating. I think what is important is a balance. I also think it's important to consider that, Sega released Global a year before NGS, which newer players won't realize, is actually *harmful* to them. They will have much less time to enjoy PSO2, to be forced into NGS, which no one asked for. (1 year compared to 10 years) Remember, global was supposed to come out 2013. You can't really blame people for being skeptical or even jaded towards Sega for delaying a launch of a game for 7-8 years. However I do believe there is nothing one can do but let the newer players enjoy themselves while they can on such limited time, but educate them on the history. There shouldn't be any animosity between newer players and older players, Sega has created this divide. It just exists. No one is evil here, we are not to blame, Sega is.
Last edited by Ranmaru; Jul 29, 2022 at 04:12 PM.
the thing is, what is trash to someone can be treasure to someone else. those veterans have their opinions but they can't speak on everyone that played it as long or longer and like it more than they do. no company has ever made a flawless videogame, nor flawless ORPG/mmorpg for that matter. critics and ingrates can split hairs and nitpick all they want, but others can enjoy the soup without being "educated of the history" because like those two have showed as example here, their viewpoints are largely negative and bitter.
its kind alike asking a scrooge for advice what they think about a game they no longer care for.
keeping it straightforward, PSO2 and NGS are both coming to PS4 english. whichever players start with first, they can create character in either one and focus on either PSO2 and/or NGS, right? PS4 english regions will rejuvenant player numbers, so that means more PSO2 players for you too. even though Sega is updating NGS and its the successor of PSO2, not everyone has to play it, but in any case, I seen livestreams and channels of people celebrating the 10th anniversary together, its not a tidal wave of players together, but it's not a wonder twins sized party either.
all in all, the PS4 english debut will speak for itself. instead of veterans trying to think for others or try to set an attitude and goggles to look through, let the newcomers evaluate PSO2 and NGS themselves and decide their own viewpoint on things, they would get more enjoyment out of it than listening to people point out all its 'flaws" and whatever's missing.
and wouldnt call the trip from PSO2 to NGS being forced. moving to NGS would be a natural step after completing whatever people can on PSO2, cause NGS has its own new areas, content and qualities that some may like. and they can have character(s) still in PSO2, so there is really no restriction of access between the two games. so instead of bickering what this or this lacks, people can just stick with whichever they like more. but I would say its a waste to play PSO2 but not explore NGS.
also you can say no one is evil here, but veterans can still cause harm in the process of trying to 'inform' people of what they think is 'wrong' with the games (also calling people that want PSO2/NGS but don't buy Xbox/PC "lazy", is rude. we've actually saved hundreds of dollars being patient). blaming Sega isn't changing anything. instead of downplaying the good things and only focusing on the bad, veterans should take care to not rain on the parade cause their bitterness only poisons the atmosphere and whether intentional or not, they risk causing some newcomers to dislike the games without even giving them a chance with a fresh slate of impressions not influenced by other views.
so really, PSO2 and NGS can't afford internal fighting among communities. they are what they are, so people either make use of their good aspects, or go play something else. this upcoming debut of PS4 english localization is for those that are positive about PSO2 and NGS, not those that think they aren't good enough and try to discourage people. And Sega is being super generous offering these games free up front. companies like Blizzard and Square Enix would charge subscription fees (which despite WoW and FFXIV being successful, even many veterans are fed up with paying fees on top of the buy to play expansions and microtransactions, and would rather have a F2P with microtransactions. plus the WoW/FFXIV formula really can't substitute the PSO series formula which is much more inviting and entertaining. so that is some of the reasons why veterans and newcomers will move to games like PSO2/NGS than the biggest mmorpgs out there. )
so its a great priviledge getting them on PS4 in english. PSO2 and NGS are sure to earn more dedicated fans and crossplay will optimize the populations.
NGS will be what new players will play first as they will be forced to play through the NGS tutorial before playing PSO2 base. Then, they'll have the opportunity to play PSO2 base, which will then require the base PSO2 tutorial.
Moving to NGS from PSO2 Base was natural for the JP PSO2 community because they had the time, but PSO2 global had to rush. Myself, I was content with the rush, however many new players were overwhelmed with the rush and I could understand their frustration in spite of my own selfishness. This is always the point where I will give props to Microsoft for taking the initiative to spark Global, because I don't think Sega JP would have. I do agree, that any PSO2 player should give NGS a try, as the game play is fun, and much more accessible in terms of augmenting gear.
I agree that being patient and saving money is smart. I wouldn't say buying an Xbox for PSO2 would be required, my buddy and I made that risk simply because we could and we were hyped for a game we have been waiting for since 2013. We were aware how late this was, yet still took the opportunity because why waste it, we have been waiting for it. I think having a balance is important actually, because we want to prop up the positives, but let the company know the negatives so those can be improved upon. At the moment, the only *negative* I see is lack of content which, isn't a major deterrent. However, I agree with letting people enjoy the game at their own pace, and they will learn themselves that things are slow. What will most likely happen is they will be patient and wait for new content, like myself and my buddy have been doing. We intend to play on August 3rd and give it a try again since the cap is at level 60 now.
I agree that we shouldn't fight internally. I think it's important we understand each other, and help each other if possible. However, I'm not entirely on the same page of considering Sega as generous here. There are many games with the F2P model, and it's always clear to consumers that it's done because there is more opportunities to make more money in that manner.
thanks I read about that. well its just a matter of switching to PSO2 after running through NGS tutorial. I'll let PSN friends be aware of that so they jump to PSO2 asap.
yea, it has its pros, which is why I encourage people to focus on PSO2 as soon as they can, because NGS continues to get updated, so may as well make the most of PSO2, then try out NGS, then go from there and decide which to stay with. or maybe alternate.Moving to NGS from PSO2 Base was natural for the JP PSO2 community because they had the time, but PSO2 global had to rush. Myself, I was content with the rush, however many new players were overwhelmed with the rush and I could understand their frustration in spite of my own selfishness. This is always the point where I will give props to Microsoft for taking the initiative to spark Global, because I don't think Sega JP would have. I do agree, that any PSO2 player should give NGS a try, as the game play is fun, and much more accessible in terms of augmenting gear.
ah yes. its ok to get Xbox and PC for it if people are willing to invest in that, though yea its great the rest of us waiting 10 years, get to play it eventually and play PSO2, and NGS gets updates, so people can make use of PSO2 before NGS. so people are getting more options than before with platform and content.I agree that being patient and saving money is smart. I wouldn't say buying an Xbox for PSO2 would be required, my buddy and I made that risk simply because we could and we were hyped for a game we have been waiting for since 2013. We were aware how late this was, yet still took the opportunity because why waste it, we have been waiting for it. I think having a balance is important actually, because we want to prop up the positives, but let the company know the negatives so those can be improved upon. At the moment, the only *negative* I see is lack of content which, isn't a major deterrent. However, I agree with letting people enjoy the game at their own pace, and they will learn themselves that things are slow. What will most likely happen is they will be patient and wait for new content, like myself and my buddy have been doing. We intend to play on August 3rd and give it a try again since the cap is at level 60 now.
well I respect your view on Sega. Sega makes mistakes, however, I feel even though it took Microsoft to get them to make ports and localizations happen, Sega is putting the work in. and PSO2 and NGS will be free to play on PS4 english too, and at least PSO2 is in a league of its own that no F2P nor buy to play nor fee based mmorpg can match at all. Blizzard's ARPG series PSO was inspired by, is miniscule and low graphics and simple spammy combat compared to what even PSU offered. Guild Wars, FFXI, WoW, FFXIV, none of them is anything like PSO games. NGS is its own sauce too. so overall, F2P with microtransactions with these exclusive artistic and gameplay qualities only found in PSO2 and NGS, Sega is in ways super generous compared to other companies like activision, square enix, capcom, bandai namco, would charge people a lot of money up front. with PSO2/NGS people save hundreds of dollars over the years without having to pay a penny to play them. meanwhile FFXIV is well developed in a sense with over the top storytelling (depressing to me, though) and different quantities, but to many veterans tired of it, it's a one trick pony and reskinned routine more people are having enough of. WoW has been in a decline. but PSO2 and NGS is still inviting in different ways unexplainable and really one of the most accessible high quality community games out there. even single player series like Xenoblade and Star Ocean can't match them. So really with all PSO2 and NGS offers, Sega is very generous going with the F2P model when, like Black Desert, they could have charged a buy to play pricing, and a subscription fee on top of that like they did with PSU's online and gamecube PSO. but PSO2 and NGS is absolutely free, and this isn't some tacked on gatcha game found on mobile. and I read there are ingame currency methods to unlock more inventory space, I think there is a guide somewhere. so fundamentally, SEGA is super generous even though they had to had Microsoft convince them to make these games ported and translated in the west. and they could have been complacent with just Xbox and PC english, but they are putting the work in for PS4 english version and perhaps PS5 can play it too, so Sega does deserve respect where credit is due.I agree that we shouldn't fight internally. I think it's important we understand each other, and help each other if possible. However, I'm not entirely on the same page of considering Sega as generous here. There are many games with the F2P model, and it's always clear to consumers that it's done because there is more opportunities to make more money in that manner.
well glad its getting localized on PS4, cause english PS4 gamers dont wanna spend hundreds of dollars to play it, nor put up with PC exclusive troubleshooting like this https://www.reddit.com/r/PSO2NGS/com...3syp/pso2_fix/
"they haven't shown they been worth it for quite some time"? yet you still play PSO2? that's a rather conflicting statement downplaying the things they did right yet still playing a game that is on its 10th anniversary and still active. meanwhile, I could list a lot of empty online games, including fighting games, that make PSO2 and NGS online look at least like a lively village.
Also localizing on PS4 is not as easy as it sounds. that requires time, and more work and money than anyone outside the industry inner walls have a clue how it all comes together. the medium is so complex, without good developers that know what they're doing, there could be glitches and other issues, and each platform is different. One example how complex development is, is notice how even experienced legendary companies like From Software have a history of bad ports on PC, and not just them, porting, localizations, it requires a lot more organization and effort that we that just play these games aren't aware of. its easy to say its easy, but to do it oneself? people outside the business wouldnt know where to begin.
so Im not placing Sega on a higher pedestal as much as giving credit where credit is due. there are a lot of companies that would just give up and just invest in mobile gaming and that's it, or become a Konami that these days just makes collections of 8 bit/16 bit games. Sega could have been done after PSU, but they made PSO2, and NGS, and it would be ungrateful to not acknowledge these games can matter to more people on english PS4, the retention rate may vary, but if even a remaster of a PS3 port like Virtua Fighter 5 FS into VF5US can still have a daily dedicated playerbase online over a year later (and did so well that a VF6 is seriously being considered with Sega), then PSO2 and NGS could increase its fanbase and playerbase with english PS4 players.
PSO2 and NGS can matter more to the PS4 newcomers than a lot of veterans that been there year 1. So in the topic of PSO2 and NGS, people shouldnt be so hard on SEGA, because they definitely are doing more for PSO fans that like the latest offerings.
and yes, the ones that pay microtransactions/gacha for cosmetics and stuff, that is ok, I would chip in too to support the games, after all its free up front, contributing with microtransactions is the least one can do as thanks for making these masterpieces available to current platforms. there are fans that sure dont want PSO2 and NGS to be left behind like what happened to PSU. so there is much good to experience out of them and NGS is still young and has potential. it won't be ideal for everyone, but it does stand out in a good way for those that like it.
and the localization/ports on Xbox and PC generated so much more money for SEGA in just a few months, so can PS4 english regions, they did the math so they know its worth the investment. Xbox and PC reception proved that no matter how old a masterpiece is, its still a masterpiece.
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