Killer Shot and Levelling

[CelestialBlade]

Okay, thinking about picking up Killer Shot with the new Grove of Fanatics and Desert Goliath S2 missions coming around. Just got a couple questions before I decide to spend all my PA frags.

Would it be a good plan to solo in either of those missions with Killer Shot, as opposed to partying elsewhere?

Is Killer Shot really that good, and will I have to level it a lot before it begins to be effective on robots?

Which of those two missions is better? I'm mainly out for EXP but I hear the 10* Bow drops in Grove of Fanatics, and my Guntecher will appreciate that in AoI...

[Deja]

Killer shot is godly against robots in Grove. Lvl 1-10 is so-so in killing robots, I'd get a buddy with killer shot too to speed things up. Once it hits lvl 11 though, I feel it's powerful enough for you to solo.

I'd get it though, two gunners with 11+ killer shot can make short work of Grove and Desert. Or both with 21+ *drools*

Just be prepared to buy 10+ falgohohs. If you don't have the funds to buy a ton of rifles with at least 1400+ PP, don't buy killer shot...yet.

[imfanboy]

I was soloing it even with it only at 1-10. It does take a bit longer though, so you might want to team up with someone.

Don't buy Falgohohs, look for 3* Brahohs, or 4* Saiyuhohs. Falgohohs cost about twice as much to fill at the PP cube as do 3* brahohs, and since Killer Shot is so expensive you need to save money wherever you can. <_<

[CelestialBlade]

Thanks for the advice. I'll get it to 11 before I start trying to solo, it'd probably be a headache otherwise. I hear it's better to keep it between 11-20 so you don't spend even more PP per shot, so I'll give that a try.

And I planned on getting some 2-3* Yohmei rifles since ATP obviously won't matter, I'll just grind the hell out of them to get lots of PP. It'll be good for levelling Killer Shot, anyway.

Still gotta decide between Grove and Goliath, but if the 10* Bow drops in Grove then I'm definitely going there, unless Goliath is waaaaaay better EXP (doesn't look like it according to Amesani).

[Kuya]

You don't NEED +10 falgohohs, you only need them at +6 for a decent PP store and getting them to +6 won't break as many or cost nearly as much as a +10.
Brahoh vs Saiyuhoh - I think ALL B ranks cost the same to fill right? It'd be best to just go straight to Falgohohs in my opinion.

I have 4 +10 Brahohs (pre-haxeta which I'm very proud of http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) and 6 +6 Falgohohs. It costs about 1500-ish to refill all my rifles. Since I'm running S2 Grove and S DG - I'm looking at about 300 meseta average per drop. It's not that expensive...Oh and I finally got Killer Shot to 27 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

P.S. You should stick with 3* or 6* for max Acc and possible PP per weapon rank http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Oh, btw Typheros, I got the Hikoteri board drop (10* bow) - It's the most AWESOME monomate I've ever used! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[SolomonGrundy]

I have 12 Brahoh (3*) ground to +6. I run out going through Parum linear line. (killer shot 9). Still, refilling them is cheap.

[Kuya]

Heh - I really should get more Brahohs grounded. +6 isn't hard to get http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[CelestialBlade]

Brahohs it is. Thanks for all the advice, maybe I can finally get Chelsea up into the high levels....and snag an S-rank Bow or two >:D

[Aka]

Killer Shot(21+) is godly at both Groves and Desert Goliath. My party of 5 was doing Groves the other day and I was the only one with Killer shot. I was netting 99% of the robot killing hits.

As for exp, I was getting around 27-30k exp soloing in Groves depending on the monster spawns. I think it was around the same in DG according to someone else.

[Alkaar]

On 2007-07-29 00:25, SolomonGrundy wrote:
I have 12 Brahoh (3*) ground to +6. I run out going through Parum linear line. (killer shot 9). Still, refilling them is cheap.



How much is it to refill all 12 Brahohs after draining them with killer shot?

[panzer_unit]

My latest project for Killer Shot is getting a Burzaihoh to +10. They're WAY cheaper to mass produce than Falgohoh (less than 2/3 the cost) and according to grind information here the PP difference in negligible... low 1600's vs high 1600's. Also I like the 5* color scheme way more than 6*. Goes with my Meteor Cannon.

Currently I'm carrying as many high-grind Brahohs's as possible for the majority of my PP, and one high-grind Falgohoh to pop photon charges into when my C-ranks run out.



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[Kuya]

Assume all rifles have been grinded to 10 and Acc doesn't matter too much (which it doesn't - I don't see much of a missiing difference in my Brahohs vs Falgohohs)
(Colors added for fashionistas http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif )

The numbers on the far right is killer shots fired as a fG vs Ranger/GT (recharge rate not taken into consideration)

1* Raihoh 1196pp Red 350 - 31.5/24.9
2* Snihoh 1379pp Blue 800 - 36.3/28.7
3* Brahoh 1470pp Green 2000 - 38.7/30.6
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4* Saiyuhoh 1607pp Yellow 8600 - 42.3/33.5
5* Burzaihoh 1652pp Orange 18500 - 43.5/34.4
6* Falgohoh 1698pp Purple 35000 - 44.7/35.4

Roughly looking at the numbers...
The B ranks - all roughly the same - so I would say stick with color preference http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
The C ranks - I'd have to say that the winner is the Snihohs since it does have the greatest increase in PP difference between 1* -> 2* and 2* -> 3*.

I think all in all - sticking with Snihohs or Brahohs would be great due to "easier" grinding and low costs. Hope this helps, heck, even just one person lol.

[CelestialBlade]

Is there a significant cost difference between recharging Brahohs versus Falgohohs?

[panzer_unit]

If you're going through enough rifles, the differences add up. Plus it's WAY cheaper to get a number of high grind C-rank weapons than anything near the same for B-rank.

[Kuya]

Recharging a Brahoh from 8/1470 - 92 meseta
Recharging a Falgohoh from 8/1546 - 221 meseta

P.S. You own me 313 meseta.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Alkaar]

Thanks! You helped out a lot! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Akaimizu]

Kind of a toughie, because I so wanted to also try out the crossbow Ult art as well. But I may have to reconsider getting the Killer shot first. And then take the A-photon Train. Not that it takes very long to get PAs anymore. Tynselle's got Soul. So maybe with killer shot, she can finish the train before a couple of people can unscramble the name of a certain famous artist on the magnetic billboard.

[Kuya]

I absolutely cannot wait for Train Rescue S2. Thanks again Sou http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Gohma Dilla Gur Nedac
Gohma Methna Beam Vulcanic

Between that and Desert Goliath S2

GSM-05 Seeker [B] Muzzlefever
GSM-05B Bomalta Phantom
GSM-05M Tirentos Drumline

Robots and crazy drops = Profit! lol Actually, I'll be giving friend spare S ranks THEN Profit! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[shotsfired]

you know what else helps.... giga bullet save. what a godsend. I only have my KS to 7, but it cost 25 per shot. giga saves me 5 per shot, which really adds up. i can imagine how much it will save me later on...

[Akaimizu]

Boy do i wish I can get one of those. One day........one day...

[CelestialBlade]

Well, I got Killer Shot to 11 and got a bunch of Brahohs together, and took them all to Grove of Fanatics S2. Is it supposed to take 20-30 shots to kill each robot? I'm seriously averaging about 2 robots dead per Rifle, so I'm hoping I meet with a little more success at Killer Shot 21+.

[panzer_unit]

bad luck or something? KS is pretty random but in Desert Goliath S2 tonight I dropping stuff in half a dozen hits? SE3 KS by the way.

[SolomonGrundy]

maybe 'magic' robots have higher STA?

[Kuya]

KS seems to be semi-weird at times. I've killed 10 robots with one rifle (Falgohoh +6) and taken 1 1/2 rifles to kill ONE robot. Seriously though, I usually get enough meseta drops to even out or come out on top and that's not counting the item drops.

[Aethereal]

Not unlike any status effect, really. Sometimes burning a Kamatoze on Agata Relics S will take me only a few shots, but other times I'll go through half a rifle to do it.

[CelestialBlade]

I figured I had simply gotten unlucky at first, but I saw very similar results for the next 6 runs or so (Abandoning and doing Block 1 over again).

The robots in Grove have 14 STA like all the other ones, so I'm not sure. In any case, some unlucky Go Vahra is being shot over and over with Killer Shot right now while I go to class http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I'll update when it hits 21. I wouldn't be doing this if I really was averaging ~6-10 shots per robot, but I'm definitely not. Meseta drops aren't really making up for it either, until I can kill just a little faster than ~15 shots per robot. But is the EXP godly? Hel yeh.

[panzer_unit]

The yellow-eyed flamethrower robots in Rogue's Passage / Train Rescue seem to die even easier to KS than most. I'm talking about frequent 1-2 hit kills.

[Deja]

Sorry didnt mean falgohoh's +10, mean buy ten falgohohs. Or if you wanna be cheap like me (in recharging), buy Brahoh's and grind those suckers to 10

Good luck, just hit killer shot 16, its so badass

[Kuya]

lol - no, it was my bad Deja - I just read your + in the wrong spot XD

[CelestialBlade]

On 2007-08-01 06:17, panzer_unit wrote:
The yellow-eyed flamethrower robots in Rogue's Passage / Train Rescue seem to die even easier to KS than most. I'm talking about frequent 1-2 hit kills.


You may have just been getting lucky, they have 14 STA like all the other robot enemies. I do get 1-2 hit kills on Grove robots, but they seem to either die in 1 hit or they take 20 shots to kill, and the one-hitters are pretty rare. At least in my experience, anyway. Maybe I'm the one with the bad luck http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[panzer_unit]

If it's luck, it's a LOT of luck and it's specific to those flamethrower dudes. The red-eyed machinegun guys in the same missions always take more shots to pop.

I was doing Desert Goliath S2 in a pure killer shot team. Just one guy with KS can make a big difference in robot missions, with 6 you've gotta work hard to hit targets as fast as they pop up / die... the money (25k a run rewards lol) and XP are insane.



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[Kuya]

While grouped is cool and all - if you have a group of KSers there's a chance that you can't tag everything before it dies. KS makes it great when I solo at work though (the only REAL time I get to play) http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[shotsfired]

can we have a KS group get together? I have lvl. 8, but I bet it would make it more fun to have some people to run with to help level it. It is painful soloing leveling this thing. what do you say? Shoot me a PM. you never know, maybe if you impress me, stryke force will come calling.

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-08-01 11:35, Kuya wrote:
While grouped is cool and all - if you have a group of KSers there's a chance that you can't tag everything before it dies.
Tell me about it! I'm crying about that right now into the pile of meseta I earned running DGS2 for a couple hours at 15 minutes per.

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[darkante]

Woah, that´s one mayhem i would like to see.

[Akaimizu]

Hopefully, I can spare the time, but I'll be game for that. Not sure if I have quite enough PAs to pay for it, but I have to be insanely close if I don't have em. I'd love to do KS runs and see how it works. And like the famous words of Parappa the Rapper: "Money Money Money, is all I need!!"

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[shotsfired]

nice, a parappa quote!

[Gen2000]

On 2007-07-31 21:08, Typheros wrote:
Well, I got Killer Shot to 11 and got a bunch of Brahohs together, and took them all to Grove of Fanatics S2. Is it supposed to take 20-30 shots to kill each robot? I'm seriously averaging about 2 robots dead per Rifle, so I'm hoping I meet with a little more success at Killer Shot 21+.



You were just unlucky that day or something. I have SE4 Killer Shot and while many a times I can blow through 2 Blocks of robots easily there is always that ONE that seems to refuse to die by Killer Shot. I mean I remember one time there were like 4 SE4 Killer Shot Gunners in my party firing at one robot and he wouldn't die for anything, I believe we actually killed him off raw damage instead of instant killing him. KS is weird sometimes.

In the general forum someone posted the success rate of each SE Level of the Instant Kill, SE3 isn't really high but from my experience of watching out SE3 KS spammers you should have been more successful than that.

[Kuya]

In DG, I practically use KS for all the mobs, including the CASTs and BUG-types. Everything in there has 20 or less STA so it's not that bad. For Grinnas, I virus tag first then I switch to earth weapons (rifle or grenades). Other than the boss, fGs or even RAs and GTs shouldn't have too much trouble with the mission.

Now, if I could just solo the boss for the rares....*cough*Rattlesnake*cough*

[panzer_unit]

I ran DGS2 for hours last night, I can't believe how unpopular it is on PS2/PC servers... universe 02 and NOBODY doing it except me? It certainly wasn't hard to organize a team when I got there.

Jagdpanzer: Hey, <fortegunner> I'm at the lobby for DGS2
<fortegunner>: oh snap. Be right there, leme get more rifles.
<fortegunner>: invite plz
... rinse and repeat ...

[Kuya]

lol - If you're gonna camp DG, I should really get your card - I hate walking myself there and we could killer shot everything XD

[panzer_unit]

I'm down with that. I've got no luck for rare drops, fast runs for 27 grand are a pretty good substitute.

[Alkaar]

On 2007-08-01 13:33, shotsfired wrote:
can we have a KS group get together? I have lvl. 8, but I bet it would make it more fun to have some people to run with to help level it. It is painful soloing leveling this thing. what do you say? Shoot me a PM. you never know, maybe if you impress me, stryke force will come calling.



Hmmm... a KS group for DGS2... I'd love to give that a go. But I'm waiting on a 3* luck day so I can grind all of my Brahohs to 10 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Akaimizu]

I'm about 10 PAs from getting Killer Shot. With the new knowledge of the aspects of the expansion, I'm a little less worried about which Skills/Bullets/Techs I learn.

Should be fun.

I went on a money/levelling run, last night. Just one more level to go for 75, and I can get to even more money missions. Always nice to have an inevitable and foreseeable goal to attain. Makes the effort quite worth it.

[panzer_unit]

Is DGS2 good money on XBox? The mission's easy enough until you hit the boss, then teammates start hitting the floor. Supposing you blow through 2-3 scapes getting your S rank, I guess that only brings your rewards down to the same level as most S2 missions so no harm done... and it's still fast.

[Kuya]

Alkaar - I hope you have a lot of time and higher grinders on your hands because I don't think it's worth going past +6 on C for killer shot rifles. At B +6 is higher than one weapon up for PP for at least 3 grinds though.

Brahoh at +6 = 1318pp
Saiyuhoh at 0 = 1323pp

Also even at 3* luck - that's where you're going to start using +8 grinders or higher just to get to +7 (+9 grinders to get to +7 on B!), well...unless you're a gambler http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif So you might break a few just getting to +7 and each one of those Brahohs are 2k a piece. More power to you if you want the +10's though! Good luck!

Dunnon, I didn't get in on the whole haxeta thing so I'm trying to figure out the best rifles for PP to cost ratio (including grinders). I'm prolly just gonna end up sticking with my brahohs and picking up Snihohs just for color matching lol http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Anyway, hurry up and level up your killer shots - robots await their doom! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Btw, shotsfired - solo leveling killer shot seems to be the only way to go - if you're in a group that kills everything before you tag - that means you're not getting BA xp too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[panzer_unit]

... for the weapons, really it's just a question of what materials you've got on hand. I've got more Aporaline than I know what to do with, and all of a sudden here's a reason to make 3* weapons: perfect coincidence.

For cost-effectiveness, I'd suggest getting a bunch of Brahoh+7 (1336 PP, last High chance grind I think, so expect to end up with about 1/2 the rifles you start with) as your starter kit. It's like a 150 meseta difference per recharge vs B-ranks.
Personally, I've got one high-grind Burzaihoh to use as backup and start throwing Photon Charges into as in case my C-ranks all run out with some robots to go... but I've got a feeling that it's worth testing my Phantom set again for that role, to see if it deals SE's a little more frequently (which would make up for its PP disadvantage) ... the cost of recharging the weapon's irrelevant since it's mostly going to be charges, I just want to get the most kills per charge if it comes down to it.

[Kuya]

lol - I too have a bunch of aporaline BUT I don't have the neu wood to spare - 450 for 3 wood + 1000 for the board = 783 per brahoh roughly which wouldn't be so bad I guess. BUT I know I would be too lazy and buy like 5 boards to use at once and who knows what kind of terrible synth results I would get lol. Either way though - I'm gonna push my way to DG S2 and if anyone forms any KS parties, I'll be keeping an eye out http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Alkaar]

Kuya, you bring up a good point. It would probably be better to have Brahohs with +6 instead of trying for the +10 on each of them and break half or all of what you had if its just about 1 weapon grade higher with no grinds. But the bold and daring daredevils will gamble and push for the +10 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I did get two Brahoh boards for 1k each, with up to 5 synths per board. I had a buddy pump all of them out for me, so I've got the 10 plus the three I already had with +6 and +7.

Getting the high grinders is another project. I'll most likely try to make my own. I do have the time and some extra meseta to spend, so its just something extra to do in the game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I think I'll take the daredevil approach for all 10 of my new Brahohs once I have 3* luck though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[panzer_unit]

You'll end up with +10 Brahohs... if you keep making new ones whenever it's convenient, and grind them all up 1 level to trim your inventory whenever you have too many at your highest grind level.

I could do with one or two more, 3 isn't enough to run on all +10's... but that's just me trying to make the numbers look good.

[Kuya]

Well, good luck to you Alkaar. I broke maybe 50-60 to get the 4 Brahoh+10's that I have no (all pre-haxeta, which I will still be proud of until forever lol) and didn't break nearly as much to get the 9 Falgohoh +6 that I roll with now. Like I mentioned, the calculations that I did show that there is about a two shot difference in Snihohs vs Brahohs - so I might just roll with Snihohs to match my outfit lol.

Oh and I just realized that I calculated wrong (thanks to your post). It's about 650 per Brahoh instead of the 783 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif See you online gunners http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[panzer_unit]

All my Wenceline went to making Gigushes for +10 lol

[Alkaar]

Wow, I didn't think it would take nearly as many rifles just to get a few to +10. I was thinking I'd get at least two from my batch of 10 to +10 with relative ease. Regardless, grinding weapons is really just pure luck. So I might even get two or more to +10 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif or break the entire batch http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

But thanks, I'll most likely need the luck since my grinding successes have never been better than a +7.

And whether its a particular color you're after for matching or if you just wanna make your numbers look good, getting a +10 C rank rifle is still a lot easier to get than a +10 A rank.


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[Niloklives]

On 2007-08-01 09:46, panzer_unit wrote:
If it's luck, it's a LOT of luck and it's specific to those flamethrower dudes. The red-eyed machinegun guys in the same missions always take more shots to pop.

I was doing Desert Goliath S2 in a pure killer shot team. Just one guy with KS can make a big difference in robot missions, with 6 you've gotta work hard to hit targets as fast as they pop up / die... the money (25k a run rewards lol) and XP are insane.



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xD that was awesome..took us about 12 minutes to get to the boss



on another note, I've noticed a weird pattern with KS. I'll drain one of my falgohohs on maybe...3 or 4 enemies, then pop a charge and start 1 or 2 shotting everything. then I'll drain that gun, pop another charge and I can't kill a robot to save my life. same kinda stuff happens as i file through my guns. it's just how it goes.

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[panzer_unit]

lol yeah we rocked that place. I live there now.

I was seeing a LOT of fast kills in that mission. It's just 'cause there are so many damn robots you get to see all sorts of luck. There was one poor bot that was taking fire from 4 of us for a couple seconds without any fireworks going off. I wouldn't be completely surprised if we killed it on HP... you roll your dice, you take your chances I guess.

Speaking of which: Alkaar, supposing "High" chances are about 70%... any given weapon only has a 24% chance of making it through the 4 chance grinds between +6 and +10. That's top-quality grinders on a max luck day, and you need to start with EIGHT weapons at +6 before you've got a decent chance (85%) of getting one to +10. If you actually have to make 50% chance rolls for each grind, it takes THIRTY weapons at +6 before you have the same chance of getting one to +10.

[Alkaar]

Thanks panzer, I'll keep that in mind. Looks like I'll be pumping out many more Brahohs.

[panzer_unit]

On the upside, it's still pretty cheap. I've made grinded something like 10 C-rank weapons to +10 since Holy Light week... 2* swords and 3* rifles... it hasn't put as much of a dent in my finances as trying to make 10 9* weapons would.

[Kuya]

Aw man - you guys already ran through? *snap* I'll have to get my levels up sooner than I thought lol. Killer shot is creeping closer to 28 now - I can't wait for AoI when it goes to 31+ and drains PP even more XD

[panzer_unit]

NIlok was talking about some games we did last night. Being the only guy running a team there, I actually had people lined up to join. The minute anyone was like "aww, I gotta get off the gravy train and sleep / homework / whatever" ... I was on mail telling whoever was next that they had a turn coming. It's good to be king, if only for a day.

If the SE level doesn't go up, it had better not drain even more PP....

[Niloklives]

what lvl are you? GoFs2 is only lvl 65 to get in iirc. and the exp is choice. I hit 90 by accident.

[Niloklives]

which reminds me...I may need to take a detour to go bullet save hunting



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[panzer_unit]

Keep doing DGS2... with drop rates being what they are, you'll be able to afford a bullet save before you find one.

[Kuya]

I'm at 71 now and I've been doing GoFS2 but the drops (other than bow which mono-failed) are stuff I don't need/want. I used DG S to get to 70 from 63 and I would like to use DG2 to finish up at 90 lol.

[LS_Aksion]

holy moly!

ive just spent the last few weeks trying to find that elusive Bullet/Save for a buddy of mines... still trying though & getting good money out of DGS2.

but omg... ever since that rebalance, all of my charts are well, useless :/

the only Bullet/Save i find is sold for 99,999,999$ Standared pricing -mO.om-